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King Diamond and Mercyful Fate => King Diamond and Mercyful Fate => Topic started by: ElektroDragon on May 25, 2010, 07:26:03 PM

Title: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: ElektroDragon on May 25, 2010, 07:26:03 PM
I recently took it upon myself to re-listen to King's entire discography, in order.  While doing this, I thought it might be fun to come up with an album ranking.  Don't take this to heart, it is just my opinion, and it was very difficult to order because all the albums are so consistent and good. The first 6 were extremely easy to rank, but the bottom 6 were almost impossible to rank!  I also noticed that there are 12 official albums, so I think the next King Diamond album must be called "13". :D   I will probably do a similar ranking for all the Mercyful Fate albums in the coming months.  Again, I don't mean to offend anyone with this, just wanted to share my opinion. 

The Eye
Conspiracy
Abigail
Them
House of God
Fatal Portrait
The Spider's Lullabye
Voodoo
The Puppet Master
Give Me Your Soul... Please
The Graveyard
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: ...To the Morgue. on May 25, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
Abigail
The Eye
Conspiracy
Them
The Puppet Master
Voodoo
The Spider's Lullabye
Give me your Soul...Please
Fatal Portrait
House of God
The Graveyard
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Aeon666 on May 25, 2010, 08:48:18 PM
Them
Abigail
The Eye
Conspiracy
Fatal Portrait
The Puppet Master
The Spiderr's Lullabye
Abigail II
Give me Your Soul... please!
Voodoo
House Of God
The Graveyard
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Madhatter on May 25, 2010, 08:49:58 PM
Abigail
Them
The Eye
Fatal Portrait
Conspiracy
The Puppet Master
The Graveyard
Voodoo
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul Please
The Spider's Lullabye
House Of God
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Huntsmænus on May 26, 2010, 06:19:42 AM
Listing them all straight out seems too difficult for me. So I'll rate mine by the decades:

1980s-
Fatal Portrait
Abigail
Conspiracy
"Them"
The Eye

1990s-
Voodoo
The Graveyard
The Spider's Lullabye

2000s
The Puppet Master
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul Please
House of GOD
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Maggotcrusher666 on May 26, 2010, 08:05:37 AM
Abigail
Conspiracy
The Eye
Fatal Portrait
Voodoo
House of God
Them
The Spider's Lullaby
The Puppetmaster
Abigail II: The Revenge
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Graveyard
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Aeon666 on May 26, 2010, 10:29:01 AM
Listing them all straight out seems too difficult for me. So I'll rate mine by the decades:

1980s-
Fatal Portrait
Abigail
Conspiracy
"Them"
The Eye

1990s-
Voodoo
The Graveyard
The Spider's Lullabye

2000s
The Puppet Master
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul Please
House of GOD

The Eye is from the 90´s Bro!!!  :D
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Huntsmænus on May 26, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
The Eye is still linked with the 80s era, dude. And House of GOD floats the line with 90s albums era, too. The top of the decade isn't always the beginning of the decade...
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Aeon666 on May 26, 2010, 12:50:10 PM
The Eye is still linked with the 80s era, dude. And House of GOD floats the line with 90s albums era, too. The top of the decade isn't always the beginning of the decade...
I agree that about the era thing... definitely The Eye is from that feeling the band had at that time.. .but still... The record is from 1990..  :gah: :gah:
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: ElektroDragon on May 26, 2010, 01:59:31 PM
I'm surprised so few of you recognize that House of God is still the best album that King has put out since The Eye.  :)  But I am pleased to see I am not too far off in opinion from most of you.

There seems to be a pattern here, in my opinion, that King caps each decade with fantastic albums:  The Eye for 80s, and House of God for the 90s.  It is too bad we are probably not going to see a decade capping stunner this time around, though I hear there is still hope for a MF album.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: MaliceReverence on May 27, 2010, 12:25:34 AM
For the First 5 albums:

Abigail
Fatal Portrait
The Eye
Them
Conspiracy
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: BLACKEAGLEOFETERNITY on May 27, 2010, 01:54:51 AM
Abigail
House Of God
Fatal Portrait
Them
The Eye
The Puppet Master
Voodoo
Abigail II The Revenge
Give Me Your Soul Please!!!
The Graveyard
The Spiders Lullabye
Conspiracy
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: amb on May 27, 2010, 05:23:20 AM
Very hard to rank them all because I love pretty much all of them, but here goes:

Abigail
Voodoo
The Eye
The Puppet Master
Conspiracy
Them
Fatal Portrait
House of God
The Spider's Lullabye
Give Me Your Soul... Please
The Graveyard
Abigail II

Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Huntsmænus on May 27, 2010, 06:21:03 AM
I'm surprised so few of you recognize that House of God is still the best album that King has put out since The Eye.  :)  But I am pleased to see I am not too far off in opinion from most of you.

There seems to be a pattern here, in my opinion, that King caps each decade with fantastic albums:  The Eye for 80s, and House of God for the 90s.  It is too bad we are probably not going to see a decade capping stunner this time around, though I hear there is still hope for a MF album.

I hate to contradict you. The Eye, a great album, is a substandard product when compared to the rest of the 80s albums(Mikkey Dee is sorely missed). And HoG is more tolerable than any of the 90s due to a better line-up(never was a Simmonsen/Estes fan). If HoG did one great thing for the band, it helped create the wonderful line-up the band has today...
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Thomas on May 27, 2010, 09:34:28 AM
Right now I'd say this is my top 5:

1. Abigail
2. The Spider´s Lullaby
3. Them
4. Conspiracy
5. Give Me Your Soul... Please

Honourable mentions to Voodoo and Fatal Portrait. :)
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Hammerheart on May 27, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
Ok, as of now, this is how I'd rank the KD albums:

1. Abigail
2. Voodoo
3. The Eye
4. HOG (Remaster)
5. The Puppet Master
6. Them
7. The Spider's Lullabye (Remaster)
8. Conspiracy
9. Fatal Portrait
10. The Graveyard
11. Abigail 2
12. GMYSP
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Madman 666 on May 27, 2010, 12:04:26 PM
Impossible to rank.

For instance Graveyard is my favorite but it is so different from the rest of his work.  When I think of King Diamond, I think of haunted mansions (or buildings in general), ghosts, and curses. 

For that reason Abigail would have to be at the top because that and maybe Puppet Master because it has those type of elements.

Yet, Graveyard is still my own personal favorite.  Such a wicked departure from the tried and true stories but so awesome.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Nevlim on May 27, 2010, 04:34:14 PM
Conspiracy
House of God
Voodoo
The Graveyard
Them
Give me your soul...Please
Abigail
Abigail II
The Puppet Master
The Eye
Fatal portrait
Spider's Lullabye

Really hard to rank them really.


Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Dr. Landau on May 29, 2010, 06:03:51 AM
Abigail
Them
Graveyard
Puppet Master
Fatal Portrait
Voodoo
House of God
Conspiracy
The Eye
Spider's Lullabye
Give me your soul...Please
Abigail 2
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Freeze on May 29, 2010, 06:24:02 AM
Abigail
"Them"
Fatal Portrait
Conspiracy
The Eye
Abigail II
Voodoo
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Puppet Master
The Spider`s Lullabye
The Graveyard
House Of God
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Jack Glass on May 29, 2010, 03:43:50 PM
Abigail
Them
Conspiracy
Fatal Portrait
The Eye
House Of God
Voodoo
The Spider`s Lullabye
The Puppet Master
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Graveyard

Interesting that KD & Andy think GMYSP is one of their best...something not shared by many of the posters here, including myself; thus far it's barely even made the top 5. I've already well documented the reasons I am not so keen on GMYSP, over produced, lack of agression, few to many stocking filler tracks and an all roound very tame play it safe album that has never inspired me. Still it's way better than what many other bands are capable of, but IMHO it's nothing compared to Abigail, Them, Fatal Portrait or Conspiracy ect. I'm hoping for a much better album this time, one that packs a punch for a change.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: hatecrewadb on May 29, 2010, 06:19:11 PM
Abigail
Conspiracy
The Eye
Puppet Master
Voodoo
Them
Spiders Lulabye
Fatal Portrait
Give Me Your Soul Please
Graveyard
House Of God
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Jonathan LaFey on May 29, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
1. Puppet Master (front to back every song amazing; most creative story..could be movie)
2. Abigail II (i feel this record! the songs gel one after another)
3. House of God (very interesting; 1-ups the DaVinci code sort of; all the recent albums have amazing stories)
4. Give Me Your Soul (the more i listen the more i like..love Livia's role on this record too..purrrfect)
5. Abigail (if I put this record in right now, I might feel like it is #1)
6. Graveyard (spooky. this record is pure, pure evil)
7. The Eye  (some amazing songs on this record..80's music was taking a dive when it came out)
8.  Spider's (Eastman's Cure is one of his best songs ever)
9.  Conspiracy (a couple of heavy hitters; production is very 80's and LOUD)
10. Fatal Portrait (I love TheLake)
11. Them (only cuz of production)
12. Voodoo (like the album a lot..don't know how it ended up #12)
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Sneaky on May 29, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
I am currently indulging in Dio's music out of respect and so my rankings are not based upon a recent back to back listening of every KD album.  Alas, here is my list:

1 - Conspiracy (I was addicted to this album back in 89 and even though it only has 7 full songs I find it more complete than any previous release or post for that matter)
2 - House of God (Just A Shadow could be the greatest song of King's career.  It is a "beautiful" album full of emotion and some very catchy riffage))
3 - Voodoo (when metal was at its bleakest period King pulled out a masterpiece of horrifying thrash)
4 - Abigail (The opening theme to Arrival followed by Kings lonely sounding vocals still haunt me after all these years)
5 - Give Me Your Soul...Please (The album that got me heavily back in KD after a decade long hiatus.  Amazing guitars and it contains "themes" as well as solos.  I love it how KD and Andy write "themes" for their songs)
6 - Abigail II (Having discarded this album after a few early spins I recently gave it a second chance and became addicted.  Brilliant guitar album, both melodic and heavy)
7 - Them (Contains some of KDs ultimate material but also a few weak songs - eg track 3 is often reserved for one of the stronger songs yet Tea doesn't sit right in this position in my opinion)
8 - The Graveyard (took ages to get into this album but now I find it quite prog and interesting.  Digging Graves and Daddy are faves)
9 - The Puppet Master (To me the weakest of the three Mike Wead era albums.  I cannot pinpoint why...the guitar work is fantastic and it contains some belters.  But for some reason I'd prefer to listen to GMYS...P and AII over this one)
10 - The Spider's Lullabye (It contains some solid material but I wish there were more guitar solos)
11 - The Eye (I have never really gotten into this album as much as I have tried.  There are some great songs like Behind The Walls and it probably should place higher in the rankings based upon the strength of its songs.  Alas, I have never found myself fully caught up in the KD experience while listening to this one)
12 - Fatal Portrait (Dressed in White was the first KD song I ever heard.  It is a great song.  But when I bought this album in 87 I was disappointed with most of the other tracks.  Just my opinion of course, but Abigail is such a massive step in the right direction for KD)

All in all - every album has delivered enjoyment, even some of my lesser favoured releases.  But my top 7 in particular have brought immense lifelong excitement and satisfaction to my ears, brain and soul.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: paulcoz on August 28, 2010, 09:23:30 AM
"Them"
Conspiracy
Abigail
The Puppet Master
-- ----------------
GMYSP
The Graveyard
Voodoo
The Eye
Fatal Portrait
The Spider's Lullabye
Abigail 2
House of God

The top four never seem to change \m/
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Huntsmænus on August 28, 2010, 12:42:19 PM
80s, 2000s then 90s...
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Mzzz on August 28, 2010, 02:04:59 PM
Hard... really hard...

Abigail (simply a masterpiece, front to end)
The Puppet Master (also a masterpiece, great story, great music)
House of God (I simply love it... can't help it)
The Eye (songs like the trial \m/ awesome)
The Graveyard (first cd i remember singing along, i was 5 :D)
Abigail 2 (I don't understand why it's on the bottom with most, i love it)
The Spider's Lullabye (too bad only last few songs is a story, but the story surely is great! this cd has KD's most crap number on it though)
Conspiracy (don't listen to it that often, but great cd)
Voodoo (same as with conspiracy)
Them (same as with conspiracy-voodoo)
Fatal Portrait (simply because I barely listen to it, it's a great cd though)
Give Me Your Soul... please (music is great, lyrics ruin it for me, too simple)
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beelzebub on August 28, 2010, 03:15:04 PM
Conspiracy
Fatal Portrait
Them
The Graveyard
The Eye
House of God
Voodoo
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Puppet Master
The Spider's Lullaby
Abigail II
Abigail
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Tri Landau on August 29, 2010, 12:28:07 AM
Abigail
Fatal Portrait
Them
The Puppet Master
The Eye
Conspiracy
The Graveyard
Give Me Your Soul...Please
Voodoo
House Of God
The Spiders Lullabye
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Hammer on August 29, 2010, 01:52:46 AM
This is too hard. I simply love them all. But if I had to rank those albums at the moment this would be the order:

1. The Puppet Master (The Best Album ever released)
2. Abigail (My all-time second favourite, this could be number one as well)
3. Give Me Your Soul... Please (Beyond awesome album, almost as good as the first two)
4. House of God (Atmospheric, melancholic and awesome)
5. The Eye (the guitar work blows my mind, solo's are priceless)
6. Conspiracy (Very good guitar album. The lyrics aren't overall my favourite one's but the songs are pure class)
7. "Them" (Awesome album storywise, creepy and progressive. Mikkey's drumming is excellent)
8. Fatal Portrait (Kick ass heavy metal from the very beginning to the end (Timi Hansen rules!). With full concept it would be even better)
9. The Graveyard (Insane album. I love the story and all the theatrical KD voices. At times this is among my KD favourites. It just depends on my mood.)
10. Abigail II: The Revenge (The story is great sequel to Abigail. King's vocal performance is suberb. I like the songs as well but the weakest songs aren't great at KD standards. However all the songs are good.)
11. Voodoo (The atmosphere is very dark and gloomy, love it. I'm not a huge fan of all the songs though. At times I like this album more. Just like The Graveyard this could be among the best one's, but usually this isn't among my favourite KD works)
12. The Spider's Lullabye (Well, I love the first five songs and Eastmann's Cure. However, Six Feet Under and the title track are among my least favourite KD songs. That's why this album is my least favourite. King's vocal performance is brilliant on this album)

I adore all of them. I would give to all of these albums at least 4½/5 rating and most would get 5/5. The order changes almost all the time. Long Live The King! :cool:
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: apeshaven on August 29, 2010, 03:54:19 AM
1.abigail
2.them
3.conspiracy
4.fatal portrait
5.the eye
6.house of god
7.voodoo
8.abigail II
9.the spiders lullabye
10.give me your spould please
11.the puppet master
12.the graveyard
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Madhatter on August 29, 2010, 04:34:12 PM
Conspiracy
Fatal Portrait
Them
The Graveyard
The Eye
House of God
Voodoo
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Puppet Master
The Spider's Lullaby
Abigail II
Abigail

Wow, I've never seen anyone rank Abigail as least favorite. To each their own, though.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beast_Regards on September 03, 2010, 03:09:52 PM
Wow, I've never seen anyone rank Abigail as least favorite. To each their own, though.
no offence but that's fucking stupid, fair enough you might have over-listened to it or whatever but really...there's not a bad song on abigail at all and it's the real essence of what King Diamond is all about...to rate it as the worst is beyond me.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Maiden Jersey on September 04, 2010, 09:39:42 AM
there's not a bad song on abigail at all and it's the real essence of what King Diamond is all about...to rate it as the worst is beyond me.

Imo there are a few bad songs on Abigail , I like the story for abigail but I think that Them and Conspiracy are better albums. Also if someone wanted wanted to know what King Diamond was about I think it would be something from Mercyful Fate because they were out before KD. Well all I am trying to say is music is a matter of personal taste.

Them
Conspiracy
Fatal Portrait
The Eye
Abigail
Voodoo
The Puppet Master
House of God
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Spider's Lullaby
The Graveyard
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beelzebub on September 04, 2010, 09:54:35 AM
no offence but that's fucking stupid

payback's a bitch!

fair enough you might have over-listened to it or whatever but really...there's not a bad song on abigail at all and it's the real essence of what King Diamond is all about...to rate it as the worst is beyond me.

You over-analyse. It is not rated as the worst, but the less favorite, and there is a HUGE difference. Let me explain, 'cos even though you won't agree, at least you'll know where I'm coming from.

When Abigail came out, I was really disapointed. For 2 reasons, 1. It didn't sound like Mercyful Fate enough for my tastes (I know it sounds shallow, but let me continue), and 2. It sounded COMMERCIAL!!.....which was a big trend at the time and a big turn off for me for many bands that dared playing that card (Make-up, hairspray, flashy clothes, less aggressive music, ballads, etc.....ie MTV appeal!)
I really got in KD's world with Fatal Portrait, so that was the benchmark, or the album by which all the others would be judged. I then started by going back in the MF catalogue and was delighted with what I heard. I still rank Melissa as my all-time #1 album, regardless of genre.
So Abigail was a big let down from that (Again, you may not agree, I'm just explaining how I felt). And to top it all, they chose The Family Ghost as the single/video and it was a song that really did nothing for me. So I never over-played that album. In fact, I have put it on a few times in the last couple of years, and found it aged pretty well. Again, I never hated that album. Side 2 is very good.

When "Them" came out, I was fucking relieved! It was like what he had tried to do with Abigail was now working. It still sounded commercial, but with a better dose of the older stuff. I absolutely loved that album, and still do. Then Conspiracy comes out and I'm flabergasted. He just outdone himself, and the band never sounded better. This to me, is the ultimate King Diamond album. It has the best songs and overall feel.
So with all that, you might say that I should have given Abigail another try at the time....and believe me, I did. And it still didn't click with me, the way all the other albums did.

So, if I HAD to rank all the KD albums, this is the one that HAS to go on the bottom. I agree that it is a superior album than Abi 2, but it's a personnal list, and I'm more likely to put on Abi 2 than 1 for the reasons stated above.

Let the flaming continue!
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Maiden Jersey on September 04, 2010, 10:00:14 AM
Then Conspiracy comes out and I'm flabergasted. He just outdone himself, and the band never sounded better. This to me, is the ultimate King Diamond album.

Yeah conspiracy is just fucking awesome so much groove and the playing is top-notch. The songs are so catchy on that album, on first listen I was hooked.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beast_Regards on September 04, 2010, 10:45:27 AM
payback's a bitch!

You over-analyse. It is not rated as the worst, but the less favorite, and there is a HUGE difference. Let me explain, 'cos even though you won't agree, at least you'll know where I'm coming from.

When Abigail came out, I was really disapointed. For 2 reasons, 1. It didn't sound like Mercyful Fate enough for my tastes (I know it sounds shallow, but let me continue), and 2. It sounded COMMERCIAL!!.....which was a big trend at the time and a big turn off for me for many bands that dared playing that card (Make-up, hairspray, flashy clothes, less aggressive music, ballads, etc.....ie MTV appeal!)
I really got in KD's world with Fatal Portrait, so that was the benchmark, or the album by which all the others would be judged. I then started by going back in the MF catalogue and was delighted with what I heard. I still rank Melissa as my all-time #1 album, regardless of genre.
So Abigail was a big let down from that (Again, you may not agree, I'm just explaining how I felt). And to top it all, they chose The Family Ghost as the single/video and it was a song that really did nothing for me. So I never over-played that album. In fact, I have put it on a few times in the last couple of years, and found it aged pretty well. Again, I never hated that album. Side 2 is very good.

When "Them" came out, I was fucking relieved! It was like what he had tried to do with Abigail was now working. It still sounded commercial, but with a better dose of the older stuff. I absolutely loved that album, and still do. Then Conspiracy comes out and I'm flabergasted. He just outdone himself, and the band never sounded better. This to me, is the ultimate King Diamond album. It has the best songs and overall feel.
So with all that, you might say that I should have given Abigail another try at the time....and believe me, I did. And it still didn't click with me, the way all the other albums did.

So, if I HAD to rank all the KD albums, this is the one that HAS to go on the bottom. I agree that it is a superior album than Abi 2, but it's a personnal list, and I'm more likely to put on Abi 2 than 1 for the reasons stated above.

Let the flaming continue!
that's cool man, I overreacted :) I'm sorry that's a  nice story.   :king:
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beast_Regards on September 04, 2010, 10:59:07 AM
atm my probably is...

Abigail
"Them"
Conspiracy
Voodoo
Fatal Portrait
The Graveyard
The Puppet Master
House Of God
The Eye
Give Me Your Soul... Please
Abigail II
The Spider's Lullabye
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beelzebub on September 04, 2010, 02:29:24 PM
that's cool man, I overreacted :) I'm sorry that's a  nice story.   :king:

No problem! I know my views on it are not very popular in this place!....but I'm still a huge KD fan!

atm my probably is...

Abigail
...

What?  :D
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Natas on September 04, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
Haha, I`m not even gonna try the top half of the list. But The Graveyard is my absolute least fav (I don`t hate it!!!!!  :D:), with Spider falling somewhat more in taste.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Thomas on September 05, 2010, 10:17:43 AM
payback's a bitch!

You over-analyse. It is not rated as the worst, but the less favorite, and there is a HUGE difference. Let me explain, 'cos even though you won't agree, at least you'll know where I'm coming from.

When Abigail came out, I was really disapointed. For 2 reasons, 1. It didn't sound like Mercyful Fate enough for my tastes (I know it sounds shallow, but let me continue), and 2. It sounded COMMERCIAL!!.....which was a big trend at the time and a big turn off for me for many bands that dared playing that card (Make-up, hairspray, flashy clothes, less aggressive music, ballads, etc.....ie MTV appeal!)
I really got in KD's world with Fatal Portrait, so that was the benchmark, or the album by which all the others would be judged. I then started by going back in the MF catalogue and was delighted with what I heard. I still rank Melissa as my all-time #1 album, regardless of genre.
So Abigail was a big let down from that (Again, you may not agree, I'm just explaining how I felt). And to top it all, they chose The Family Ghost as the single/video and it was a song that really did nothing for me. So I never over-played that album. In fact, I have put it on a few times in the last couple of years, and found it aged pretty well. Again, I never hated that album. Side 2 is very good.

When "Them" came out, I was fucking relieved! It was like what he had tried to do with Abigail was now working. It still sounded commercial, but with a better dose of the older stuff. I absolutely loved that album, and still do. Then Conspiracy comes out and I'm flabergasted. He just outdone himself, and the band never sounded better. This to me, is the ultimate King Diamond album. It has the best songs and overall feel.
So with all that, you might say that I should have given Abigail another try at the time....and believe me, I did. And it still didn't click with me, the way all the other albums did.

So, if I HAD to rank all the KD albums, this is the one that HAS to go on the bottom. I agree that it is a superior album than Abi 2, but it's a personnal list, and I'm more likely to put on Abi 2 than 1 for the reasons stated above.

Let the flaming continue!

Interesting point of view! When you explain it like that I fully understand your reasons for placing Abigail last, although it's probably a bit too harsh and maybe a bit provocative...? :) I'm a bit like that myself when it comes to music, and it's interesting to hear things like this from people that were actually there when it really happened, as opposed to most people who pick up these albums 20-25 years later and more or less have their mind made up before even hearing the album at all. Everyone knows Abigail, Them etc are the classics so listening to them and being completely neutral is difficult.

Question: I understand you're more into the rough and raw sound of early MF and Fatal Portrait - do you feel there's a similarity between the sound of those early recordings and the stuff in the 90's when the sound became heavier and more metallic again (mostly on Spider's and Voodoo) after The Eye which was a bit softer?
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beast_Regards on September 05, 2010, 06:13:46 PM
No problem! I know my views on it are not very popular in this place!....but I'm still a huge KD fan!

What?  :D
:D :D :D :D :king:  My favourite changes from day to day
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beelzebub on September 09, 2010, 08:48:19 AM
Interesting point of view! When you explain it like that I fully understand your reasons for placing Abigail last, although it's probably a bit too harsh and maybe a bit provocative...? :) I'm a bit like that myself when it comes to music, and it's interesting to hear things like this from people that were actually there when it really happened, as opposed to most people who pick up these albums 20-25 years later and more or less have their mind made up before even hearing the album at all. Everyone knows Abigail, Them etc are the classics so listening to them and being completely neutral is difficult.

I know. I used to be in complete disbelief when I heard any old Pink Floyd fan bash on Dark side of the Moon. Mainly 'cos I discovered it 10 years after the fact. I'm not saying it's better to have been there, but you definitely get a more personnal feeling from an album. Like you said, you don't have the opinion of anyone but yours. But nowadays, I understand those Pink Floyd fans, 'cos of what the band started out as, and the direction they took.


Question: I understand you're more into the rough and raw sound of early MF and Fatal Portrait - do you feel there's a similarity between the sound of those early recordings and the stuff in the 90's when the sound became heavier and more metallic again (mostly on Spider's and Voodoo) after The Eye which was a bit softer?

good question. But I would say, maybe the opposite. To me, the KD band has a life of its own, and a certain way to put twists on things, in a different way than MF does it. I came to that conclusion with the reformed MF, that still sounds like MF, but heavily influenced by the KD band. It's really the evolution of the King Diamond (the man) sound. There is no way "Into the Unknown" or "9" would have sounded like they do, if they had been written and performed a few years after "Don't Break the Oath". I do hear a lot of "Voodoo" and even "Them" on those albums.
I'm not saying MF toned down, but their sound was influenced from the KD solo stuff. I still hear glimpses of the early albums, especially on "In the Shadows", but I don't find that on the latter KD albums.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Grotesque on September 13, 2010, 10:40:59 AM
The Puppet Master
Conspiracy
Abigail
Voodoo
House Of God
Give Me Your Soul... Please
The Eye
"Them"
The Graveyard
Fatal Portrait
The Spider´s Lullabye
Abigail II: The Revenge
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Shadowswhisper on September 15, 2010, 01:22:48 AM
I cant put them in any specific order as all of them hold a special meaning or capture a special mood at any given time sometimes ill like Abigail better then Them or Conspiracy more so then The eye and vice versa just depends on what i want to hear when i want to hear it and at that time the album I'm listening too is my favorite




Stay heavy  \m/
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Hammer on September 19, 2010, 11:20:45 AM
The Puppet Master
Conspiracy
Abigail
Voodoo
House Of God
Give Me Your Soul... Please
The Eye
"Them"
The Graveyard
Fatal Portrait
The Spider´s Lullabye
Abigail II: The Revenge

Very cool ranking! My list might look almost the same some day. It always changes though 'cause all of the albums are absolutely amazing... :)
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Chagosomar on September 19, 2010, 08:35:13 PM
1. Conspiracy or Them, cuz it's a true tie for me. I have never been able to make up my mind which is better.
2. Abigail
3. The Eye
4. Fatal Portrait
5. Spider's Lullabye or Voodoo
After those I really have no idea.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Grotesque on September 20, 2010, 03:59:27 AM
Very cool ranking! My list might look almost the same some day. It always changes though 'cause all of the albums are absolutely amazing... :)

I know it was really hard to rank them... but that was my list right now, like you said it changes. Tomorrow The Graveyard might be on top, who knows.  :D
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: KingForever112 on September 20, 2010, 09:32:49 AM
Fatal Portrait
Them
Abigail
Conspiracy
The Graveyard
Spiders Lullaby
Voodoo
Abigail 2
The Puppet Master
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Eye
House of God

God damn that was hard, ALL KD and MF albums are excellence in my eyes so i dont have a true order, but if i had to rate them as listened to most:

Fatal Portrait (About 99% of the time  :king: )
Voodoo
The Graveyard
Conspiracy
Abigail 2
Abigail
Them
The Puppet Master
Give Me Your Soul...Please
Spiders Lullaby
The Eye
House of God

Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Jurassic_christ on October 26, 2010, 07:50:49 PM
abigail
abigail 2
Them
conspiracy
the graveyard
the eye
fatal portrait
house of god
give me your soul
the puppet master
spiders lullabye
voodoo
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: The Joker on October 26, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
I don't know, it changes from time to time...

2 years ago abigail would be on the top, last year maybe Them, now I'm listening more to TPM, voodoo and The Eye..

every month my favourite album changes, so i can't rank the albuns \m/
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: General Hammerthrone on October 27, 2010, 01:58:30 PM
 1. Fatal Portrait
 2. The Puppet Master
 3. Voodoo
 4. The Eye
-- --------------------------------these first 4 favorite albums are so good none of the other's can touch em'.
 5. Abigail
 6. Conspiracy
 7. Them
----------------------------------these 3 albums are classic King but still nowhere near the above 4 albums in my opinion
 8. House Of God
 9. The Graveyard
10.Give Me Your Soul Please
11.The Spider's Lulaby
12. Abigail 2

I really don't like these 5 albums to be honest except for a few tracks here and there,I suppose I could make up an album of 8 songs from these 5 albums.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DirtbikeDave917 on October 28, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
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Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: General Hammerthrone on October 30, 2010, 02:33:50 PM
Dirtbikedave917 wrote: When he would sing about satan and banging a chick in a cematary was so scary, but Pinocchio, not so much.    



And singing about "grandma and a cup of tea" was more "scary"? lol!
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beast_Regards on October 30, 2010, 02:56:34 PM
When he would sing about satan and banging a chick in a cematary was so scary, but Pinocchio, not so much.   
::)
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DirtbikeDave917 on October 30, 2010, 03:54:51 PM
Dirtbikedave917 wrote: When he would sing about satan and banging a chick in a cematary was so scary, but Pinocchio, not so much.   



And singing about "grandma and a cup of tea" was more "scary"? lol!
No but "them" is a great album
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: General Hammerthrone on October 30, 2010, 07:08:43 PM
Them is a great album,but to me The Puppet Master is so much better but we all have different opinions,I can see why you prefer Them to The Puppet Master,but as far as the subject matter I don't think singing about puppets is much different than singing about grandma and a cup of tea ha!

King's stoires are insane,he is the ONLY metal artist that can pull off singing about these kinds of things and he makes it look twisted and insane while if somebody else tired to do it,it would be cheesey.

In my opinion The Puppet Master towers over "Them" in quality but again I do see why you prefer "Them",both great albums.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DirtbikeDave917 on October 30, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
Them is a great album,but to me The Puppet Master is so much better but we all have different opinions,I can see why you prefer Them to The Puppet Master,but as far as the subject matter I don't think singing about puppets is much different than singing about grandma and a cup of tea ha!

King's stoires are insane,he is the ONLY metal artist that can pull off singing about these kinds of things and he makes it look twisted and insane while if somebody else tired to do it,it would be cheesey.

In my opinion The Puppet Master towers over "Them" in quality but again I do see why you prefer "Them",both great albums.
You know what, with that said, I think your 100% right. King can make stories that are insane and twisted. And the PM is just that. I'm gonna give PM another go its been years since I did, and I'll have you're opinions in mind. There is alot of opinions on here that say the PM is the best, I've been wrong once. We're cool yeah?
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: General Hammerthrone on October 30, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
Hey DirtbikeDave917,yes of course we are cool my friend,just having some good converstions in here right? Them is still a great album,I didn't mean to make out The Puppet Master that far ahead of "Them" as they are both great albums.

 Its only my opinion that The Puppet Master is better,but I do think "Them" is a great album too,thats why I can see why you prefer it better. If we all had the same opinions it wouldn't be much intersting I guess ya know? Not trying to change your mind of course,but do listen to The Puppet Master,its ok to still have the opinion that "Them" is much better than The puppet master but its an album for all King Diamond fans to enjoy.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DirtbikeDave917 on November 09, 2010, 07:36:08 PM
Puppet Master................Great piece of music. A pleasure to listen too.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Beast_Regards on November 14, 2010, 02:16:06 AM
Hey DirtbikeDave917,yes of course we are cool my friend,just having some good converstions in here right? Them is still a great album,I didn't mean to make out The Puppet Master that far ahead of "Them" as they are both great albums.

 Its only my opinion that The Puppet Master is better,but I do think "Them" is a great album too,thats why I can see why you prefer it better. If we all had the same opinions it wouldn't be much intersting I guess ya know? Not trying to change your mind of course,but do listen to The Puppet Master,its ok to still have the opinion that "Them" is much better than The puppet master but its an album for all King Diamond fans to enjoy.
yep, this.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Nokturrnus on November 14, 2010, 08:32:49 AM
I haven't heard all KD albums yet (at least not enough times) so only these 8:

Abigail
Fatal Portrait
Them
The Spider's Lullabye
Voodoo
Conspiracy
The Eye
Give Me Your Soul... Please
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Maryann Cotton on November 16, 2010, 02:16:17 PM
Them
Conspiracy
The Eye
Abigail
The Puppet Master
Fatal Portrait
House Of God
Abigail II The Revenge
Give Me Your Soul... Please
Spiders Lullabye
Voodoo
The Graveyard
 :king:
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DaveN on November 17, 2010, 10:56:22 AM
1 Abigail, Them, Conspiracy
2 The Eye, Fatal Portrait
3 The Puppetmaster
4 Voodoo
5 The Graveyard
6 The Spider's Lullabye
7 Give Me your Soul, Abigail 2, House of God

but my fav concepts are, whithout a doubt, them and the puppetmaster
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: johnnieczech on November 19, 2010, 04:48:39 AM
THEM
Conspiracy
The Eye
Abigail
Voodoo
Puppet Master
Fatal Portrait
Abigail II.
The Graveyard
House Of God
Give Me Your Soul...Please
Spider's Lullabye
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Brian on November 19, 2010, 08:23:25 AM
The power I get from the chain is mine , only i can use it !  sick , my favorite right now but i could never put all the albums in order becouse of the different times and the different moods king was in when doing his thing .  Just dont stop is all i can say !
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: borato on November 19, 2010, 08:43:44 AM
my rank, for me was a great experience to re-discover the first 90s albums

 :king:

The Eye/Conspiracy
Abigail/Puppet Master
Spider's Lullabye/The Graveyard/Give Me Your Soul...Please
THEM/House Of God
Voodoo
Fatal Portrait
Abigail II.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Ragman71 on November 19, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
Fatal Portrait
Abigail
Abigail II
Them
Conspiracy
The Graveyard
The Eye
House of God
The Spider's Lullabye
Voodoo
The Puppet Master
Give Me Your Soul... Please

 
 
 
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: King on November 19, 2010, 03:50:38 PM
Them
Abigail
Conspiracy
The Eye
Fatal Portrait
The Puppetmaster
House Of God
Abigail 2
The Graveyard
Voodoo
Give Me Your Soul...Please
The Spider`s Lullabye
 :king: \m/
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Mzzz on November 26, 2010, 03:06:42 AM
Hard... really hard...

Abigail (simply a masterpiece, front to end)
The Puppet Master (also a masterpiece, great story, great music)
House of God (I simply love it... can't help it)
The Eye (songs like the trial \m/ awesome)
The Graveyard (first cd i remember singing along, i was 5 :D)
Abigail 2 (I don't understand why it's on the bottom with most, i love it)
The Spider's Lullabye (too bad only last few songs is a story, but the story surely is great! this cd has KD's most crap number on it though)
Conspiracy (don't listen to it that often, but great cd)
Voodoo (same as with conspiracy)
Them (same as with conspiracy-voodoo)
Fatal Portrait (simply because I barely listen to it, it's a great cd though)
Give Me Your Soul... please (music is great, lyrics ruin it for me, too simple)

Slight changes...
1. abigail
2. puppet master
3. voodoo
4. HOG
5. the eye

rest about the same
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Hammer on November 26, 2010, 07:20:06 AM
^ Seems like you're very into Voodoo at the moment. It's fascinating album yet it's among my least favourite KD albums nowadays. The atmosphere and the story are creepy and cool.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Mzzz on November 27, 2010, 01:41:08 AM
Yes, I am quite addicted to the cd nowadays :D
I re-discovered it, I really love the atmosphere. \m/
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Hammerheart on December 03, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
It's amazing how much KD fans don't like Voodoo as much as others, esp. when they rank Abigail 2 above it. I think it's the second best KD album, after Abigail. I believe it has part to do with the speed of the album, it's the most thrasy KD album, and that may turn some listeners off.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Mzzz on December 03, 2010, 11:16:09 PM
Indeed, it is a bit trashy, that's what I like so much about KD, every album has a different genre and is never the same :)
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: BigMan78 on December 03, 2010, 11:50:08 PM
1. Abigail-I love the rest of the discography but it's going to be hard for King to ever beat this one
2. The Graveyard-King's best story by far and probably the creepiest atmosphere any of his albums have had
3. Conspiracy-For the longest time I had this ranked below Them but recently I've grown to love this more than it predecessor. And At The Graves is arguably Kings best track recorded  :king:
4. Them-Classic for sure
5. The Spiders Lullaby-I imagine if King had expanded on the story of poor Harry that this album might have given Abigail a run for its money.  But the final 4 tracks are pure gold, and From the Other Side is another classic track
6. The Puppet Master-I just recently was able to acquire this album and listen to it for the first time, and while it is very solid, I'm still undecided if it is the classic that many hail it to be.  But I must say, it is nice to see some many emotions put into it by King & Livia's performances
7. Voodoo-My first venture into King's 90's material.  Unfortunately this album is very hit and miss, but that tracks that do hit, hit very HARD. LOA House, Life After Death, and One Down, Two to Go are pure musical gold
8. The Eye-Another album I've recently gotten around to purchasing. I've been in love with the opening track for some time and was very impressed with the rest of the album so I can expect this rise up the list in the near future.
9. Fatal Portrait-Something about this album has just never clicked for me to rank it very high.  Granted, I do love The Candle, Lurking in the Dark, and Haunted is one King's creepiest tracks
10. House of God-A very solid album, but the story gets very slow in the middle. The opening and closing of the album are excellent with The Trees Have Eyes and Catacomb
11.Give Me Your Soul...Please-While I do enjoy this album, it just doesn't contain very memorable songs and the story is kind of bland.  After seeing King being haunted by Them, a little ghost girl just doesn't seem that frightening. I do love the opening track though(The Dead), it is awesome to hear Livia sing along with the creepy organ.
12.Abigail II-This album....I honestly just can't enjoy it.  It might be because I love the original and just cannot understand the drastic change in the story(How the hell does Jonathon suddenly become the antagonist?)I've tried very hard to let this album grow on me, but it just hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: HULKING WAR MACHINE on December 06, 2010, 08:47:47 AM
Its impossible for me to put them in order with the exception of my top 3
THEM
Puppetmaster
Graveyard...
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: thegraveyardmaster on December 08, 2010, 12:13:41 PM
Abigail
Them
The Puppet Master
House of God
Conspiracy
The Graveyard
Fatal Portrait
Voodoo
The Spiders Lullabye
The Eye
Give Me Your Soul...Please
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DasRagnar on May 04, 2015, 12:04:17 PM
"Fatal Portrait" was a strong debut. It definitely proved that King was more than capable of churning out great songs even without Hank Shermann (who had composed roughly 97% of Mercyful Fate's music.) To be sure, the songs were more straightforward and less intricate. There were fewer time changes and overall, the feel was a lot less dark than Mercyful Fate's sound but King began laying the foundation for his solo career and the interwoven storylines and harmonic guitar runs became some of the staples of the King Diamond band. To compare "Fatal Portrait" today to the brilliance of King's solo material that came later is to sell the songs short. In its own right, it's actually a very solid album and songs like "Halloween" and "Charon" are some of the highlights of King's early solo career. Whereas Shermann and Denner had been playing together for years, Denner and La Rocque were still finding their footing with one another as a team when this album was recorded. Why "The Lake" was left out of the original pressing, I never understood. What a great song. My favorite track though has got to be "Haunted" - great riff, King's wailing vocal line is spine-tingling. The trilogy of "The Candle", "The Jonah" and "The Portrait" (and I suppose "Haunted" ought to connect as well), may not have the wow factor that later King creations had, but I can still come back to these songs and see them for what they are, as a great milestone in King's career as a songwriter and as a benchmark for the band itself.

"Abigail" has long been considered the highlight of King's solo career, and for good reason. The storyline is epic and gripping. The songs are dark, heavy, the arrangements and the production are phenomenal. Even the cover art is amazing. "Arrival" is probably the quintessential King Diamond track. "A Mansion In Darkness" was Mikkey Dee's finest hour. The intro was creepy and really drew the listener in while the closer "Black Horsemen" would serve as the best farewell sendoff for when King Diamond (hopefully many, many years from now) finally bids us all goodbye. The guitar duo of La Rocque and Denner was immortalized on this record, they officially joined the ranks of some of the finest dual guitar combinations of all time with this album. "Fatal Portrait" may have served to show that King was definitely back in action after the Mercyful Fate split, but "Abigail" was what showed everyone just where he was going from there. Hands down, this album deserves a spot on any top ten list of the greatest heavy metal albums of all time.

"Them" was a milestone as it marked the departure of Michael Denner thus making it the first album of King's career not to feature at least one guitarist from the Mercyful Fate era. But Pete Blakk was a "guitarist's guitarist" and the chemistry that he shared with La Rocque was something that Denner really couldn't lay claim to in the same fashion. As heavy as the songs on "Them" get, overall, it's a fairly progressive effort. Many of the riffs and the arrangements seemed a bit strange, maybe even a bit lacking upon the first listen. While the guitar sound is crisp, the drums sounded a bit out of place, almost as if the album had been recorded without them and they were thrown into the mix afterwards in almost a slipshod manner. But after repeated listens, I was convinced that while the songs themselves aren't better than those on "Abigail" the quality of the songwriting is actually far superior. The storyline is equally engrossing and detailed. "Them" serves as the first half of what is arguably the most iconic plot that King has ever spun for his fans. Personally, I think that the riffs and the guitar leads are just brilliant on this record. I will never forget listening to this record for the first time and being instantly hooked. I remember how I would sit there with the liner notes for the record while I listened, the little symbols used to denote whether it was Andy or Pete taking the solo. Another fantastic album cover too. "Them" was another highlight in King's career and some of those tracks have become integral staples at King Diamond shows. You can't see King live without hearing songs like "Welcome Home" and "The Invisible Guests" but the rest of the album is best enjoyed through a great set of headphones. Great stuff.

"Conspiracy" was my favorite King Diamond album for many years. When I was younger, it really appealed to me. I was excited to learn about what happened in the aftermath of the events of "Them" which was a huge treat. The album had a much darker feel than its predecessor, it was infinitely heavier, the riffs were more memorable, the arrangements more straightforward. Even the production was better. So why did I change my mind about this album? Why is it that when I listen to it today, I feel like it doesn't hold up to some of King's other albums? Well, for starters, a lot of it is flash-in-the-pan when you hear it for the first time. The songs are heavy, the second half of the story is a lot more gripping than the first half - those things are true. But I don't think that "Conspiracy" has the same wherewithal that "Them" has. Sure, I can go back and listen to this record again and again. But I don't tend to notice slight little differences and tiny things that I never noticed before the way I can with "Them." The songs are good, they're memorable and they're great to listen to but they don't have the same intricacy and the same sense of layered mystique that the tracks on "Them" have. They're a lot more linear and less distinct from one another. This 1989 album was a fantastic way for King to say farewell to a decade that had seen the very best that metal had to offer the world and King himself played a role in that much larger than that of many of the others who tend to receive more credit today. But I think King was releasing more iconic material, material that defined him as an artist in the early and mid 1980's than he was at the end and maybe that's the point I've been building to. "Conspiracy" was originally heralded as the heaviest King Diamond album to date, his best since "Abigail", while for me today, it marked the end of the beginning for the King Diamond band and the start of a new era.

"The Eye" to me, musically, has always had a lot more in common with "Them" than it ever had with "Conspiracy." I didn't like this record all that much when I first listened to it many years ago. Part of that may have been that the production was weak compared to "Conspiracy" - the guitar sound wasn't nearly as dark or as resonating. The drum sound was weak and took away from the overall energy of the tracks on "The Eye." While certainly sinister, the fact that the storyline on "The Eye" was based on real people and events did very little to draw fans in the way the epic plot to "Them" and "Conspiracy" had done. But again, it's a work that's capable of growing on you with time if you give it the chance to do so. I think the big problem that I had with "The Eye" was that unlike all of King's other albums, there was no defining track on "The Eye." Despite the fact that I've changed my opinion countless times regarding my favorite song from each record, no matter how many times I listened to "The Eye" not a single one seemed to rise perceptibly above the others. As a guitarist myself, I decided to look into learning how to play them anyway. In those days, long before tablature and sheet music were widely available, the only option for learning King's songs was to pick them up by ear. And so I began listening to this record over and over again attempting to pick up the riffs one by one. By the time I got to "Father Picard" I was in love with this album. Pete Blakk had always been a workhorse for King Diamond. To say that someone could hold his own opposite a guitarist like Andy is a huge honor and no one had any reservations when it came to admitting that about Pete. But here's the thing: "The Eye" made me realize that Pete Blakk was unbelievable in his own right. Up until "Conspiracy" King and Andy wrote all of the music together. But Pete Blakk's contributions to "The Eye" were fantastic. Sure, his composition style was a lot more progressive and a lot less dark than most of King's material, but Pete brought something fresh and new to the songs and that made up for the fact that they weren't as in-your-face heavy as the songs on the previous record. Maybe "The Eye" didn't produce any classics, I'll give its critics that much. But it did display a level of musicianship that previous efforts practically only hinted at in comparison. The flashes of genius on "The Eye" really make the whole thing worth it.

We come now to "The Spider's Lullabye." Released in 1995, this album came five years after the one that had preceded it. A lot had happened in that five years and undoubtedly, those events played no small role in determining that "The Spider's Lullabye" would be remembered as arguably the weakest and most forgettable of King's solo career. Personally, I have zero qualms about saying straight away that in my humble opinion, "The Spider's Lullabye" IS the weakest and most forgettable record of King's solo career. I'll tell you why. When Mercyful Fate reunited in 1993 to release "In The Shadows", fans were absolutely ecstatic. 1994 was the release of a follow-up effort, "Time." To critique both works and to compare them not only to one another but also to the glory days of Mercyful Fate a decade before is something better saved for another time. But suffice it to say that King's heavy involvement in the Mercyful Fate reunion and the fact that he dedicated such time and effort to composing, recording and touring with Mercyful Fate definitely impacted "The Spider's Lullabye" negatively. I remember as though it were yesterday clenching the liner notes of my newly purchased "In The Shadows" record and reading the list of people that King wished to thank. I remember tingling with anticipation at the mention of "The Spider's Lullabye" and the names of the mysterious new members of the band. Years later, I purchased "The Spider's Lullabye" on the day of its release and literally ran home to listen to it straight away. Like any new record from King, you really can't help but be in awe of it initially, but even during a second listen, it becomes apparent that the songs themselves are critically lacking when compared to the real gems in King's discography. I think that the reliving of the Mercyful Fate days definitely had a major effect on the songwriting for King. And despite the fact that Mercyful Fate has always been, is now and forever shall be my favorite band of all time, I was a little disappointed that "The Spider's Lullabye" was such a departure for King. As a huge fan of both bands, I respect and admire both the similarities and the differences. But part of loving King's solo material is embracing some of those major differences and I honestly feel even today that "The Spider's Lullabye" was a real departure from what King Diamond has always done best. The songs are fairly weak. Some of the riffs are great but the songs themselves are pretty formulaic and they really don't knock your socks of. King's vocals are absolutely brilliant here and there, notably on "Moonlight" and the guitar leads are great throughout despite the fact that each track was mixed differently and has a different overall feel and energy to it. I had been looking forward to this mysterious 'Herb Simonsen's' debut and he didn't disappoint but it left me wondering what another record with Pete Blakk might have been like. Simonsen was more than capable (and believe it or not, I've also forged a friendship with him over the years - he's a great guy, he really is and I love talking music with him) but even though he threw himself into it with everything that he had, I don't feel like he and Andy ever developed the same ability to feed off of one another that Andy had with Pete. Herb was a great session player. He wasn't much for the grueling nature of being on the road and he wasn't keen to throw his hat into the ring as a contributing songwriter which was also okay. But "The Spider's Lullabye" should have been a much stronger effort for the amount of time that King kept us all waiting and it simply isn't really an album that compares to King's real treasures. Sorry, "The Spider's Lullabye", while not terrible, you're definitely number 19 on my list, hands down.

"The Graveyard" has always reminded me of a modern, updated, souped-up version of "Them." While the production is far better (it retains the crisp guitar sound without sacrificing any of the crunch), the songs themselves aren't nearly as interesting to deconstruct and analyze. The story is also probably my least favorite of any of King's plotlines. Forgive me, I can't put my finger on why, but haunted paintings, ancient curses which result in newborn babies devouring their mothers alive, demon-possessed grandmothers who induce family murder, evil priests and psychiatrists conspiring to murder, lascivious priests who engage in unspeakable ritual murder, rape and torture, crippling arachnophobia, all of these things I can accept but I had a difficult time with King's venture into child molestation. As dark a topic as it is, I'm not certain it's something that deserves an entire concept album devoted to it. That being said, the progressive feel of the album was a big departure from "The Spider's Lullabye" and in my opinion, taking things in any direction which differed from what they had done on that album could only be seen as a good thing. Andy and Herb seemed to have much better chemistry this time around. The songs were far more complex and the layering to the tracks was a real treat. I actually really like some of the songs on this album and I think that they hold up with the best of King's catalogue. They translated to the stage well. Overall, a very enjoyable album. While not as intricate as the songs on "Them", the songs on "The Graveyard" have an energy and a flow that those on "The Eye" failed to achieve. "The Graveyard" was easily King's best album in nearly a decade. Solid effort.

"Voodoo" really is a great album. The story is wonderful. Filled with colorful characters, it hearkens back to the glory days of King's creepy and intricate plots. It's extremely heavy - probably heavier than "The Graveyard." The songs are complex but they don't have that same over-thought feel to them that some of King's more composed tracks can sometimes acquire. The riffs are solid and memorable. The guitar work is brilliant. Even the cover art takes you back to the old days. The LOA house bears striking similarities to AMON that go beyond just appearance. I can't help but wonder how much of an effect the recording of "Dead Again" had on the "Voodoo" sessions. The songs on "Into The Unknown" hold up so much better individually than those on "The Graveyard" do but the songs on "Voodoo" can easily be looked at individually and I really like that about this record. I loved it the first time I heard it and I love it now. Maybe it's not exactly groundbreaking but it's very representative of King's style and coming on the heels of "The Graveyard" which was a pretty solid work in its own right, "Voodoo" still retains its luster. I really like it and I often find myself recommending this album whenever people ask me which King Diamond record they ought to listen to first. To initiate someone with "Abigail" is to break the cardinal rule of saving the best for last. "Them" might lose its appeal if not viewed from a position of heavy exposure to King's earlier work. But "Voodoo" is a good place to start - it straddles King's early feel with his modern one and that's a tough thing to do.

I'll review "House Of God" to "Give Me Your Soul... Please" in my next post.   
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DasRagnar on May 05, 2015, 10:28:53 AM
1) "Abigail"
2) "Them"
3) "Conspiracy"
4) "Fatal Portrait"
5) "The Eye"
6) "Voodoo"
7) "Abigail II - The Revenge"
8) "House Of God"
9) "The Graveyard"
10) "The Puppet Master"
11) "Give Me Your Soul... Please"
12) "The Spider's Lullabye"
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Madhatter on May 06, 2015, 08:10:12 AM
Abigail
Them
The Eye
Fatal Portrait
Conspiracy
The Puppet Master
The Graveyard
Voodoo
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul Please
The Spider's Lullabye
House Of God

Ok, its been 5 years. Time to update...

Abigail
Conspiracy
THEM (might be #1 if the recording/mix/master was better)
Fatal Portrait
The Eye
The Puppet Master
The Graveyard
The Spider's Lullabye (remaster)
Voodoo
House of God
Abigail II
Give Me Your Soul...Please
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: KingOfTheRotten on May 08, 2015, 02:38:35 AM
THEM
Conspiracy
Abigail
The Puppet Master
The Eye
Voodoo
Fatal Portrait
Abigail II
The Graveyard
Give Me Your Soul... Please
House Of God
Spider's Lullabye.

This was actually quite goddamn hard! I don't really like to see The Graveyard so far down the list :P
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Jean le Noir on May 08, 2015, 05:19:33 AM
Voodoo
Abigail
Fatal Portrait
Conspiracy
The Eye
Puppet Master
House of God
Abigail II: Revenge
Them
Graveyard
Spider's Lullabye
Give Me Your Soul... Please!

It's really hard and the line is really thin from top to bottom. Class is permanent  \m/
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Mani on May 10, 2015, 08:17:48 AM
1. Conspiracy
2. Them
3. The Eye
4. Abigail
5. Puppet Master
6. The Graveyard
7. Voodoo
8. Fatal Portrait
9. Give Me Your Soul... Please!
10. Spider's Lullabye
11. Abigail II: Revenge
12. House of God
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: zorrow on May 13, 2015, 09:56:46 PM
1- Them
2- Conspiracy
3- The Puppet Master (Best.Story.Ever.Period. And the guitars are awesome)
4- Abigail
5- The Eye
6- The Spider's Lullaby (For some reason I absolutely love this album)
7- House of God (I love this one too)
8- Give me your Soul...Please (Great guitars, specially Mike; but the story isn't very appealing)
9- Fatal Portrait (Good, but every time I play it I think "I better listen to Mercyful Fate instead of this")
10- Voodoo
11- The Graveyard
12- Abigail II

However, all rank from 4/5 to 5/5 in my books.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: CR0C0DILE on May 22, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
For me, a 27 year long fan, it is different than for most of you, I think.
It is hard for me to get into much new music. I have to listen to it over and over.
The top albums for me are in this order
1 "The Graveyard."
2 "Voodoo"
3 "Them"
4 "Abigail 2"
5 "The Eye"
Now these are all hard to distinguish which is the best because I consider these top 5 all masterpieces that deserve the top spot.
The next set of albums are
6 "The Spider's Lullaby"
7 "Abigail"
8 "Fatal Portrait"
9 "Conspiracy"
This set is all albums that I love but they are not exactly the band at its absolute best.
The next set is the newer albums
10 "Give me Your Soul Please"
11 "House of God"
12 "The Puppet Master"
These are the albums which I am not fully used to yet and not exactly in love with, but I keep them and intend to listen more until I love them.



Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Felicia on June 01, 2015, 01:25:06 AM
Them, conspiracy,The Eye,Abigail, Voodoo (named my cat after that), and fatal portrait are top on my playlist often.. H.o.g. , Spiders Lullaby, and Puppetmaster.. The rest  Abigail 2 and g.m.y.s.p. I own but don't really play at all.
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: LazNovak on June 14, 2015, 06:15:50 PM
1. The Eye
2. Conspiracy
3. "Them"
4. Abigail
5. Fatal Portrait
6. The Puppet Master
7. Give me your Soul...Please
8. Voodoo
9. Abigail 2
10. House of God
11. The Graveyard
12. The Spider's Lullabye
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: majorfabs on July 17, 2015, 06:06:29 AM
1. The Eye (imagine The Eye with the sound of Conspiracy :D)
2. "Them" (imagine "Them" with the sound of Conspiracy :D)
3. Conspiracy
4. Abigail
5. The Puppet Master
6. Voodoo
7. The Graveyard

8. Fatal Portrait
9. Abigail 2
10. House of God
11. Give me your Soul...Please
12. The Spider's Lullabye

From time to time you can mix 1 to 7 and 8 to 12 randomly   :slookl:
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: DevilEeeyes on January 28, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Maybe I'll have a go at this.

1) "Them"
2) Abigail
3) The Graveyard
4) Abigail II
5) The Spider's Lullabye
6) The Eye
7) Puppet Master
8) Give Me Your Soul...Please
9) Conspiracy
10) Voodoo
11) House of God
12) Fatal Portrait

That's probably about right for me at the moment, although much like most of you, I love them all.
 :king:
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Chagosomar on January 28, 2016, 01:46:23 PM
1. THEM
2. Conspiracy
3. Abigail
4. The Eye
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: enigmatech on February 24, 2016, 11:11:08 PM
Here would be my ranking:

King Diamond:
1. Abigail
2. "Them"
3. Abigail 2: The Revenge
4. Conspiracy
5. Voodoo
6. The Eye
7. The Spider's Lullabye
8. Fatal Portrait
9. The Puppet Master
10. House of God
11. Give Me Your Soul...Please
12.  The Graveyard

Mercyful Fate:
1. Don't Break the Oath
2. In the Shadows
3. Melissa
4. 9
5. Nuns Have No Fun
6. Into the Unknown
7. Return of the Vampire
8. Time
9. Dead Again
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: zorrow on May 06, 2016, 06:29:41 PM
Abigail
Them
Conspiracy
The Eye
The Puppet Master
The Spider's Lullaby
House of God
Give Me Your Soul... Please
Fatal Portrait
The Graveyard
Voodoo
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: The Family Ghost on July 25, 2016, 01:58:40 PM
Abigail
Them
Conspiracy
The Eye 
The Puppet Master
Voodoo
House of God
The Spiders Lulabye
The Graveyard
Fatal Portrait
Give Me Your Soul...Please
Abigail II
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Sammael on August 03, 2016, 10:09:45 PM
 :king:

This is my first post, happy to join. Been a fan since the early 90's. As many have mentioned already, this ranking always ends up changing, although I think Conspiracy and The Eye are always at the top. They are all great albums.

1. The Eye
2. Conspiracy
3. Them
4. Abigail
5. Fatal Portrait
6. The Spider's Lullabye
7. The Puppet Master
8. House of God
9. Give Me Your Soul...Please
10. Voodoo
11. The Graveyard
12. Abigail II: The Revenge
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Sanctuary on August 05, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
01. Abigail - Loved it so much that I named my cat after it.
02. The Eye - I believe that he does some of his most emotive work ever here.
03. Them - Shame about the production on this however.  What the hell happened?
04. Conspiracy
05. The Spider's Lullabye
06. Fatal Portrait
07. Voodoo
08. The Puppet Master
09. The Graveyard
10. House of God
11. Give me Your Soul...Please
12. Abigail II: The Revenge
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: krisjay on September 13, 2016, 01:27:24 PM
It always changes, but top 5 is pretty stable. I've been listening to Voodoo alot lately.
Fatal Portrait
Abigail
THEM
Puppet Master
House Of God
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Ravenus1 on October 04, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
Fatal Portrait ( mercyful fate was a constant when I bought this in 85)
Abigail
Conspiracy
The Eye
THEM
Give Me Your Soul... Please
Voodoo
The Spider's Lullabye
Puppet Master
House Of God
Abigail II - The Revenge underrated ( The Wheelchair kicks ass)
The Graveyard
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: TheUnborn on December 08, 2016, 07:38:45 PM
"Fatal Portrait" was a strong debut. It definitely proved that King was more than capable of churning out great songs even without Hank Shermann (who had composed roughly 97% of Mercyful Fate's music.) To be sure, the songs were more straightforward and less intricate. There were fewer time changes and overall, the feel was a lot less dark than Mercyful Fate's sound but King began laying the foundation for his solo career and the interwoven storylines and harmonic guitar runs became some of the staples of the King Diamond band. To compare "Fatal Portrait" today to the brilliance of King's solo material that came later is to sell the songs short. In its own right, it's actually a very solid album and songs like "Halloween" and "Charon" are some of the highlights of King's early solo career. Whereas Shermann and Denner had been playing together for years, Denner and La Rocque were still finding their footing with one another as a team when this album was recorded. Why "The Lake" was left out of the original pressing, I never understood. What a great song. My favorite track though has got to be "Haunted" - great riff, King's wailing vocal line is spine-tingling. The trilogy of "The Candle", "The Jonah" and "The Portrait" (and I suppose "Haunted" ought to connect as well), may not have the wow factor that later King creations had, but I can still come back to these songs and see them for what they are, as a great milestone in King's career as a songwriter and as a benchmark for the band itself.

"Abigail" has long been considered the highlight of King's solo career, and for good reason. The storyline is epic and gripping. The songs are dark, heavy, the arrangements and the production are phenomenal. Even the cover art is amazing. "Arrival" is probably the quintessential King Diamond track. "A Mansion In Darkness" was Mikkey Dee's finest hour. The intro was creepy and really drew the listener in while the closer "Black Horsemen" would serve as the best farewell sendoff for when King Diamond (hopefully many, many years from now) finally bids us all goodbye. The guitar duo of La Rocque and Denner was immortalized on this record, they officially joined the ranks of some of the finest dual guitar combinations of all time with this album. "Fatal Portrait" may have served to show that King was definitely back in action after the Mercyful Fate split, but "Abigail" was what showed everyone just where he was going from there. Hands down, this album deserves a spot on any top ten list of the greatest heavy metal albums of all time.

"Them" was a milestone as it marked the departure of Michael Denner thus making it the first album of King's career not to feature at least one guitarist from the Mercyful Fate era. But Pete Blakk was a "guitarist's guitarist" and the chemistry that he shared with La Rocque was something that Denner really couldn't lay claim to in the same fashion. As heavy as the songs on "Them" get, overall, it's a fairly progressive effort. Many of the riffs and the arrangements seemed a bit strange, maybe even a bit lacking upon the first listen. While the guitar sound is crisp, the drums sounded a bit out of place, almost as if the album had been recorded without them and they were thrown into the mix afterwards in almost a slipshod manner. But after repeated listens, I was convinced that while the songs themselves aren't better than those on "Abigail" the quality of the songwriting is actually far superior. The storyline is equally engrossing and detailed. "Them" serves as the first half of what is arguably the most iconic plot that King has ever spun for his fans. Personally, I think that the riffs and the guitar leads are just brilliant on this record. I will never forget listening to this record for the first time and being instantly hooked. I remember how I would sit there with the liner notes for the record while I listened, the little symbols used to denote whether it was Andy or Pete taking the solo. Another fantastic album cover too. "Them" was another highlight in King's career and some of those tracks have become integral staples at King Diamond shows. You can't see King live without hearing songs like "Welcome Home" and "The Invisible Guests" but the rest of the album is best enjoyed through a great set of headphones. Great stuff.

"Conspiracy" was my favorite King Diamond album for many years. When I was younger, it really appealed to me. I was excited to learn about what happened in the aftermath of the events of "Them" which was a huge treat. The album had a much darker feel than its predecessor, it was infinitely heavier, the riffs were more memorable, the arrangements more straightforward. Even the production was better. So why did I change my mind about this album? Why is it that when I listen to it today, I feel like it doesn't hold up to some of King's other albums? Well, for starters, a lot of it is flash-in-the-pan when you hear it for the first time. The songs are heavy, the second half of the story is a lot more gripping than the first half - those things are true. But I don't think that "Conspiracy" has the same wherewithal that "Them" has. Sure, I can go back and listen to this record again and again. But I don't tend to notice slight little differences and tiny things that I never noticed before the way I can with "Them." The songs are good, they're memorable and they're great to listen to but they don't have the same intricacy and the same sense of layered mystique that the tracks on "Them" have. They're a lot more linear and less distinct from one another. This 1989 album was a fantastic way for King to say farewell to a decade that had seen the very best that metal had to offer the world and King himself played a role in that much larger than that of many of the others who tend to receive more credit today. But I think King was releasing more iconic material, material that defined him as an artist in the early and mid 1980's than he was at the end and maybe that's the point I've been building to. "Conspiracy" was originally heralded as the heaviest King Diamond album to date, his best since "Abigail", while for me today, it marked the end of the beginning for the King Diamond band and the start of a new era.

"The Eye" to me, musically, has always had a lot more in common with "Them" than it ever had with "Conspiracy." I didn't like this record all that much when I first listened to it many years ago. Part of that may have been that the production was weak compared to "Conspiracy" - the guitar sound wasn't nearly as dark or as resonating. The drum sound was weak and took away from the overall energy of the tracks on "The Eye." While certainly sinister, the fact that the storyline on "The Eye" was based on real people and events did very little to draw fans in the way the epic plot to "Them" and "Conspiracy" had done. But again, it's a work that's capable of growing on you with time if you give it the chance to do so. I think the big problem that I had with "The Eye" was that unlike all of King's other albums, there was no defining track on "The Eye." Despite the fact that I've changed my opinion countless times regarding my favorite song from each record, no matter how many times I listened to "The Eye" not a single one seemed to rise perceptibly above the others. As a guitarist myself, I decided to look into learning how to play them anyway. In those days, long before tablature and sheet music were widely available, the only option for learning King's songs was to pick them up by ear. And so I began listening to this record over and over again attempting to pick up the riffs one by one. By the time I got to "Father Picard" I was in love with this album. Pete Blakk had always been a workhorse for King Diamond. To say that someone could hold his own opposite a guitarist like Andy is a huge honor and no one had any reservations when it came to admitting that about Pete. But here's the thing: "The Eye" made me realize that Pete Blakk was unbelievable in his own right. Up until "Conspiracy" King and Andy wrote all of the music together. But Pete Blakk's contributions to "The Eye" were fantastic. Sure, his composition style was a lot more progressive and a lot less dark than most of King's material, but Pete brought something fresh and new to the songs and that made up for the fact that they weren't as in-your-face heavy as the songs on the previous record. Maybe "The Eye" didn't produce any classics, I'll give its critics that much. But it did display a level of musicianship that previous efforts practically only hinted at in comparison. The flashes of genius on "The Eye" really make the whole thing worth it.

We come now to "The Spider's Lullabye." Released in 1995, this album came five years after the one that had preceded it. A lot had happened in that five years and undoubtedly, those events played no small role in determining that "The Spider's Lullabye" would be remembered as arguably the weakest and most forgettable of King's solo career. Personally, I have zero qualms about saying straight away that in my humble opinion, "The Spider's Lullabye" IS the weakest and most forgettable record of King's solo career. I'll tell you why. When Mercyful Fate reunited in 1993 to release "In The Shadows", fans were absolutely ecstatic. 1994 was the release of a follow-up effort, "Time." To critique both works and to compare them not only to one another but also to the glory days of Mercyful Fate a decade before is something better saved for another time. But suffice it to say that King's heavy involvement in the Mercyful Fate reunion and the fact that he dedicated such time and effort to composing, recording and touring with Mercyful Fate definitely impacted "The Spider's Lullabye" negatively. I remember as though it were yesterday clenching the liner notes of my newly purchased "In The Shadows" record and reading the list of people that King wished to thank. I remember tingling with anticipation at the mention of "The Spider's Lullabye" and the names of the mysterious new members of the band. Years later, I purchased "The Spider's Lullabye" on the day of its release and literally ran home to listen to it straight away. Like any new record from King, you really can't help but be in awe of it initially, but even during a second listen, it becomes apparent that the songs themselves are critically lacking when compared to the real gems in King's discography. I think that the reliving of the Mercyful Fate days definitely had a major effect on the songwriting for King. And despite the fact that Mercyful Fate has always been, is now and forever shall be my favorite band of all time, I was a little disappointed that "The Spider's Lullabye" was such a departure for King. As a huge fan of both bands, I respect and admire both the similarities and the differences. But part of loving King's solo material is embracing some of those major differences and I honestly feel even today that "The Spider's Lullabye" was a real departure from what King Diamond has always done best. The songs are fairly weak. Some of the riffs are great but the songs themselves are pretty formulaic and they really don't knock your socks of. King's vocals are absolutely brilliant here and there, notably on "Moonlight" and the guitar leads are great throughout despite the fact that each track was mixed differently and has a different overall feel and energy to it. I had been looking forward to this mysterious 'Herb Simonsen's' debut and he didn't disappoint but it left me wondering what another record with Pete Blakk might have been like. Simonsen was more than capable (and believe it or not, I've also forged a friendship with him over the years - he's a great guy, he really is and I love talking music with him) but even though he threw himself into it with everything that he had, I don't feel like he and Andy ever developed the same ability to feed off of one another that Andy had with Pete. Herb was a great session player. He wasn't much for the grueling nature of being on the road and he wasn't keen to throw his hat into the ring as a contributing songwriter which was also okay. But "The Spider's Lullabye" should have been a much stronger effort for the amount of time that King kept us all waiting and it simply isn't really an album that compares to King's real treasures. Sorry, "The Spider's Lullabye", while not terrible, you're definitely number 19 on my list, hands down.

"The Graveyard" has always reminded me of a modern, updated, souped-up version of "Them." While the production is far better (it retains the crisp guitar sound without sacrificing any of the crunch), the songs themselves aren't nearly as interesting to deconstruct and analyze. The story is also probably my least favorite of any of King's plotlines. Forgive me, I can't put my finger on why, but haunted paintings, ancient curses which result in newborn babies devouring their mothers alive, demon-possessed grandmothers who induce family murder, evil priests and psychiatrists conspiring to murder, lascivious priests who engage in unspeakable ritual murder, rape and torture, crippling arachnophobia, all of these things I can accept but I had a difficult time with King's venture into child molestation. As dark a topic as it is, I'm not certain it's something that deserves an entire concept album devoted to it. That being said, the progressive feel of the album was a big departure from "The Spider's Lullabye" and in my opinion, taking things in any direction which differed from what they had done on that album could only be seen as a good thing. Andy and Herb seemed to have much better chemistry this time around. The songs were far more complex and the layering to the tracks was a real treat. I actually really like some of the songs on this album and I think that they hold up with the best of King's catalogue. They translated to the stage well. Overall, a very enjoyable album. While not as intricate as the songs on "Them", the songs on "The Graveyard" have an energy and a flow that those on "The Eye" failed to achieve. "The Graveyard" was easily King's best album in nearly a decade. Solid effort.

"Voodoo" really is a great album. The story is wonderful. Filled with colorful characters, it hearkens back to the glory days of King's creepy and intricate plots. It's extremely heavy - probably heavier than "The Graveyard." The songs are complex but they don't have that same over-thought feel to them that some of King's more composed tracks can sometimes acquire. The riffs are solid and memorable. The guitar work is brilliant. Even the cover art takes you back to the old days. The LOA house bears striking similarities to AMON that go beyond just appearance. I can't help but wonder how much of an effect the recording of "Dead Again" had on the "Voodoo" sessions. The songs on "Into The Unknown" hold up so much better individually than those on "The Graveyard" do but the songs on "Voodoo" can easily be looked at individually and I really like that about this record. I loved it the first time I heard it and I love it now. Maybe it's not exactly groundbreaking but it's very representative of King's style and coming on the heels of "The Graveyard" which was a pretty solid work in its own right, "Voodoo" still retains its luster. I really like it and I often find myself recommending this album whenever people ask me which King Diamond record they ought to listen to first. To initiate someone with "Abigail" is to break the cardinal rule of saving the best for last. "Them" might lose its appeal if not viewed from a position of heavy exposure to King's earlier work. But "Voodoo" is a good place to start - it straddles King's early feel with his modern one and that's a tough thing to do.

I'll review "House Of God" to "Give Me Your Soul... Please" in my next post.


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Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: Dischord on April 22, 2017, 08:25:26 PM
House of God - the guitar work alone is epic
The Eye
Abigail
Them
Conspiracy
The Spider's Lullaby
The Puppet Master
The Graveyard
Fatal Portrait
Voodoo
Give Me Your Soul, Please
Abigail 2

With this in mind remember I own every one of these and listen to all religiously
Title: Re: If you HAD to rank all the King Diamond albums....
Post by: GraveyardCamper on May 23, 2017, 04:15:16 AM
Abigail - One of his albums I seem to return all the time. The magic is never gone. Black Horsemen is the best closing song ever!
Conspiracy - And here's the other one. A Visit from the Dead in my vinyl doesn't actually play that well anymore. One of the songs I've played too much.
The Eye - Didn't like the drums first on this one (well, that was some 20 years ago), but the songs are so good I don't care anymore. The story is also something different for KD. Enjoy.
The Puppet Master - Oh hell how much I waited this album to be released. And it didn't fail.
Fatal Portrait - Has many of my eternal favourite songs.
Abigail II - Used to be on the bottom of the pile. But it turns really good once it gets really going. Spirits!
"THEM" - I should listen this with thought some day. Hasn't lasted like the other early albums.
Voodoo - I used to love and play this constantly. Not bad. And cool artwork too.
Give Me Your Soul - This got a lot of shit when it was released, I recall. Maybe it's my poor language, but I don't completely understand what's going on in the story. I've listened this the most lately though, a highly enjoyable album with cool riffs.
House of God - Man this is hard, because I really like this album too. The opening of This Place is Terrible always got me.
The Graveyard - Some ace songs, and a couple like Up From the Grave, which I would gladly forget.
Spider's Lullaby -  The bottom one. Still I would give it something like 75 out of 100 points.