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Offline Erickana

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Questions from "The Graveyard"
« on: July 19, 2007, 08:58:09 AM »
1. How many people died by the hand of King in this story
2. When he said 7 graves , 1 with Lucy, who are inside the 6 others graves ?, are they the same that he called the dolls  ?
    The nurse, Jesse Bell, Mary The Hooker, The Reverend ?

Offline Bones_xa

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 09:51:34 AM »
Don't know how many people died, but I'm pretty sure each of the six graves had one of the killed victims in it, and the seventh one had Lucy sleeping in it.
There is a line in one of the songs that goes: "Thats not Lucy, thats someone else you got".

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 02:09:07 PM »
There's at least 3 that the Lunatic killed for sure. One is the nurse he takes the key from while "Waiting In the Dark" which is of course how he escapes. Then there is Jeremiah the grave digger: "I can't believe he wasn't stronger!" and Mary the hooker who was apparently performing her services at the church. The other graves could have been filled with other previously dead people for all we know.
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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 02:28:02 PM »
Oh yeah, i forgot the gravedigger, thanks

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 04:10:27 AM »
This album is a masterpiece, and the story is just brilliant. And I really like all these sentences that is used during the album, like the ones mentioned in this thread: "Thats not Lucy, thats someone else you got"  ,  "I can't believe he wasn't stronger!"
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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 06:09:27 AM »
This album is a masterpiece, and the story is just brilliant. And I really like all these sentences that is used during the album, like the ones mentioned in this thread: "Thats not Lucy, thats someone else you got"  ,  "I can't believe he wasn't stronger!"
don't forget "my hands are so much stronger than her itsy bitsy little head!"

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 08:26:30 AM »
remenber that there was also some Heads on The Wall

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 10:26:11 AM »
4 deaths.

I always thought that the heads on the wall were the below mentioned people.

The Nurse, The Grave Digger, Mary, and Jesse Bell.

Is his father dead or did he just get disowned?
"Oh Daddy, you're fading away
Oh Daddy, Daddy please stay"

does anybody have any guess as to how old anybody (except lucy) is?

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 12:30:53 PM »

does anybody have any guess as to how old anybody (except lucy) is?


irrelevant

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 05:10:30 PM »
irrelevant
Maybe it's not relevant to the story, but there's no reason a person can't wonder about it, or ask the question without such a response.  ::)

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2007, 03:19:26 AM »
don't forget "my hands are so much stronger than her itsy bitsy little head!"

Of course, and there's a lot more :king:
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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2007, 05:38:36 AM »
4 deaths.

I always thought that the heads on the wall were the below mentioned people.

The Nurse, The Grave Digger, Mary, and Jesse Bell.

i don't think he is going to drag the nurse with him for six miles...

Is his father dead or did he just get disowned?
"Oh Daddy, you're fading away
Oh Daddy, Daddy please stay"

there was already a topic about the Graveyard, the daddy part has been discussed there

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007, 01:34:02 PM »
i don't think he is going to drag the nurse with him for six miles...

Possibly her head though.  :gah:

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2007, 01:16:09 AM »
yep, it's indeed very easy to rip of somebody's head with your hands :P

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2007, 05:12:09 PM »
"Sit down you creep, you degenerate son of a sheep!"

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2015, 04:12:31 PM »
there was already a topic about the Graveyard, the daddy part has been discussed there

Bumping an old thread, sorry!  I was searching on the forum trying to find out more about the lyrics of "Daddy" on The Graveyard.  I wondered if the linked thread from this post might have the info I'm after, but the link is dead.

So, are the lyrics in the first half of "Daddy" written from Lucy's perspective about Mayor McKenzie, or from King's character's perspective?  They seem to reference an undisclosed event...

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2015, 04:34:17 PM »
Bumping an old thread, sorry!  I was searching on the forum trying to find out more about the lyrics of "Daddy" on The Graveyard.  I wondered if the linked thread from this post might have the info I'm after, but the link is dead.

So, are the lyrics in the first half of "Daddy" written from Lucy's perspective about Mayor McKenzie, or from King's character's perspective?  They seem to reference an undisclosed event...
Fixed link:

http://www.kingdiamondcoven.com/CWWforum/index.php?topic=463.0

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2015, 12:41:05 AM »
I have answered the question about 'Daddy' before!

Years ago, in an interview for Metal Maniacs magazine, King said that in that song, the ghost of his / the lunatic's dead father shows up. He is talking to the ghost - pleading his innocence, but the ghost is looking at him disapprovingly. When Daddy fades away, the lunatic feels that he is being abandoned (disowned!), that's when he starts to rage at the mayor.

Of course, the lunatic cannot be trusted to have everything straight in his head. So, maybe he was guilty... I cannot say and that's why the story is so cool. :D
« Last Edit: August 12, 2015, 12:43:54 AM by paulcoz »
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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2015, 12:55:00 PM »
I have answered the question about 'Daddy' before!

Years ago, in an interview for Metal Maniacs magazine, King said that in that song, the ghost of his / the lunatic's dead father shows up. He is talking to the ghost - pleading his innocence, but the ghost is looking at him disapprovingly. When Daddy fades away, the lunatic feels that he is being abandoned (disowned!), that's when he starts to rage at the mayor.

Of course, the lunatic cannot be trusted to have everything straight in his head. So, maybe he was guilty... I cannot say and that's why the story is so cool. :D
Wow! I never knew that! I always had the same doudt! I thought that was Lucy speaking for the first half song (the sobbing part), and then the Lunatic starting to rage at McKenzie! And about the "fading away" lines, I thought it was Lucy addressing her father during the fight! Now it has more sense! Thank you so much paulcoz! Everything is clearer now (Clearer than daylight of course! \m/)!

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2015, 01:18:49 PM »
I have answered the question about 'Daddy' before!

Years ago, in an interview for Metal Maniacs magazine, King said that in that song, the ghost of his / the lunatic's dead father shows up. He is talking to the ghost - pleading his innocence, but the ghost is looking at him disapprovingly. When Daddy fades away, the lunatic feels that he is being abandoned (disowned!), that's when he starts to rage at the mayor.

Of course, the lunatic cannot be trusted to have everything straight in his head. So, maybe he was guilty... I cannot say and that's why the story is so cool. :D

Thanks for that!  I guessed the question would have been asked before but I couldn't find it by searching.  Thanks to KingOfTheRotten for fixing the link too!

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2015, 10:55:20 PM »
Another cool little detail someone else on this forum noticed and pointed out:

(Meet Me At Midnight)
Call me sick in the head but I would never lie to you
I worked for the man
Mayor McKenzie is an old perverted swine
I caught him one night, molesting his own little child


(Daddy)
Daddy don't look at me like that
I didn't do it...HE did...It was HIM
I could never...I could never
I wasn't even there

He.. wasn't there! A bit of a contradiction.
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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2015, 12:37:50 AM »
Another cool little detail someone else on this forum noticed and pointed out:

(Meet Me At Midnight)
Call me sick in the head but I would never lie to you
I worked for the man
Mayor McKenzie is an old perverted swine
I caught him one night, molesting his own little child


(Daddy)
Daddy don't look at me like that
I didn't do it...HE did...It was HIM
I could never...I could never
I wasn't even there

He.. wasn't there! A bit of a contradiction.
Ok, now I need explainations! I thought that the Lunatic was mentally healt before witnessing the mayor molesting his own daughter, and when he told nobody believed him and was accused to be insane! So they locked him to the sanytarium, and then, due to the forced therapy and the whole situation, he started to going crazy (you know, things like that used to happen for real)!
Now I'm starting to guess that he was ALWAYS a lunatic, and he alone did the whole thing! McKenzie is innocent!
 :headscratch:
Wow... I feel like we unlocked a forgotten vault! :D Now I need to dig The Graveyard! Yeah, I'm digging The Graveyard! \m/

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2015, 02:10:29 AM »
It is stated in the foreword in the booklet that the lunatic was wrongly accused and incarcerated, therefore the mayor was the one who abused Lucy. But in the story conveyed through the actual songs there doesn't seem to be any concrete evidence of either the lunatic or the mayor's guilt. :P The lunatic seems an unreliable narrator. One person's word against another, the mayor was taken more seriously.

It's fun to speculate.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 02:19:32 AM by paulcoz »
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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2015, 04:45:33 AM »
I thought something else maybe, cause in "Up from the grave" the lunatic seems to call himself "daddy".
When he says to Lucy "come to daddy"

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Re: Questions from "The Graveyard"
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2015, 06:12:09 AM »
4 deaths.

I always thought that the heads on the wall were the below mentioned people.

The Nurse, The Grave Digger, Mary, and Jesse Bell.

Is his father dead or did he just get disowned?
"Oh Daddy, you're fading away
Oh Daddy, Daddy please stay"

does anybody have any guess as to how old anybody (except lucy) is?

the song is about ghost of the narrator's father who suddenly appeared in the graveyard. And then faded away.