Your hopes for the next KD album?

[Felicia]

  Great question! 

I will now place my two cents down and give what I might wish for in a new album..as if it matters..lol! 

Soundwise... I loathe digital compression in music! It takes something away from the full bodied atmosphere that analogue tracks produced. I'm showing my age here but I remember the full rich creepy symphonic atmospheric sound on the earlier albums that are missing on the newer current albums. Mind you it might cost more to produce in analogue time wise but this is my wish here...lol!

Next amongst much conversation last night between me and my friend ... The writing of the story is just as important!  Ok so what does that mean...lol   When I put my headphones on I want to feel like I'm in the story...example the wedding dream is perfect imagery ! The music matches the lyrics it's a beatiful piece of art! Also ive noticed the albums that have more first person lyrics don't stand out as much to the listener, as it tends to be monotonous. GMYSP is a great example of way too much first person usage. The earlier albums took me away on a great story with less first person there were seperate views from characters of the plots of evil and horror!

Lastly , I look to be taken away from the B.S. of the day .. It's why I've always adored king diamond..those Stories become cheap scream therapy while in traffic   So I like the haunted house vampire ago go thing..theres enough crap on the news to make one know life a bitch ... I don't need it in my king diamond cd. 

Well that's my input... Either way I'm glad king is healthy, can be properly hydrated now, and write a magnum opus to shake the granny panties off this old lady...lol 

[Count Jonah]

Excellent comments Paul, Grace and Fally! 

I too do not wish to hear down to earth, everyday, streetwise lyrics and stories. I want to be swept away into a dark fantastical world of magic and mystery. The seriousness and dramatic intensity of the lyrics and the music are key to providing such a haunting and eerie atmosphere. That escapist element. And lets get back to where the villains ARE actually evil, and just not "misunderstood".

I know artist don't wish to be held back or confined to a past glory period, but at the same time you create a niche that your fans appreciate and long for and that helps identify a band beyond mere brand name. When an artist strays from that sound, it's like getting someone addicted to crack and then trying to sell them children's nighttime cough medicine. 
While keeping that in mind, King should be able to be passionate and creative with his music. After all I do love what Samael did when they experimented with their original Black Death Metal sound and added more darkwave and goth.

Some albums are much weaker than others, but King has never pulled a Load on us if you know what I mean. And yeah I know he's good friends with them, but it's a fitting reference.

I love The Puppet Master! Voodoo was AWESOME despite the story not being evil and dark enough. And I'm going to break ranks and say Abigail 2 is extremely underrated! I think there are plenty of great vocal moments, guitar parts and the perfect use of keyboards. It's just that the production and storyline elements get in the way of people appreciating the atmosphere of that album which is in fine mode on "The Storm", "Miriam" and of course "Spirits". Abigail was on the first album the female antichrist that ruined the lives of this young couple. And now she's a victim getting her revenge. I don't think that worked for me and a lot of other people and just felt like a rewrite, but I will say that I LOOOOOVVVVVVVEEE the music and atmosphere of that album to death! I think all three of those albums are later-day masterpieces. So yes there is hope and expectations. 

[Felicia]

  CJ if you love Abigail 2  Maybe you can point out some major confusing points with the writing of that story... I read the lyrics and well it just doesn't make alot of sense. There's a chunk of that story missing. Like why mommys in the floor and what that has to do with anything..or what plan or place little one had in that story with Abigail .. I want to like it but its missing all of pieces there...
Help me..lol 

[Count Jonah]

I do, and as I said the story prevents people from appreciating the music and feel of the album. I do like some of the lyrics as they stand on their own like "The Storm" and "Broken Glass", but in my opinion the story overall is flawed when compared to the original Abigail.

The count burnt his wife in the original story, so maybe he just flung her ashes onto the floor and they got washed away into a drain below or he put in another floor over the spot. 

Yeah, the whole little one thing always bothered me. It would work better as a separate unrelated story, but it's just left up in the air how, when and why the reborn Abigail and Little One become separate entities. Abigail possessed Miriam so that she can be reborn as a devil baby with (glowing?) yellow eyes who eats her own mother's flesh...so she already has teeth too, very sharp ones presumably. 
In Abigail 2 she goes from that to being this innocent, naive 18 year old girl that is more that happy to play along to make an old man happy as long as she doesn't have to look at him naked.  But then after that she turns evil again due to the Viagra fail or maybe it was after looking into the Eye? 

[Felicia]

Lmfao!!! You said Viagra fail...omg!    Nope didn't read that lyric...lol CJ you're awesome!!!!  I guess no one will ever truly know what is up with that tale.  Perhaps that's an idea for a new thread here explaining Abigail 2..lol !!!!   I'm just going to leave that alone and hope for a story not about the peril of Viagra failure..lol

[paulcoz]

'But it's not your mommy you're looking for, it's yourself'

Also, see Russ's explanation here:

http://www.kingdiamondcoven.com/CWWforum/index.php?topic=809.10

[Felicia]

Thanks for the link Paul.. I read it and it seems to explain a lot but it's very confusing none the less. A lot leaves up to interpretation of the listener. It almost seems like a larger story but due to having to be brief a lot was cut in Abigail 2 ,perhaps that's what is missing. Besides the character development of the people involved is not so great...it goes down bugging me. Why have this omnipotent demon child who posseses people and can do all sorts things ... Only to have a breakdown of not knowing who they are it's odd at best. Either way glad I don't have to write that story  I might have done an even worse job..lol

[U-94]

At this point my only hope for the new album is that it's released in 2015. Which is clearly not happening now.

KD signed a 3 album deal with MetalBlade in December 2012. It'll be over 3 years since then before we get 1 album.

[Count Jonah]

Thanks for the link Paul.. I read it and it seems to explain a lot but it's very confusing none the less. A lot leaves up to interpretation of the listener. It almost seems like a larger story but due to having to be brief a lot was cut in Abigail 2 ,perhaps that's what is missing. Besides the character development of the people involved is not so great...it goes down bugging me. Why have this omnipotent demon child who posseses people and can do all sorts things ... Only to have a breakdown of not knowing who they are it's odd at best. Either way glad I don't have to write that story  I might have done an even worse job..lol

I'm right there with you Fally! I remember when AII came out and there was A LOT of hype amongst the fans. And when I heard that the sub-title would be the Revenge that threw me off big time. Who's revenge? Jonathan's?  The Count? Nope, it's Abigail's; the same "little monster bitch" who killed Miriam and crippled Jonathan. That always struck me as odd. Jonathan never did anything to Miriam, She even warned him that he had to try to push her down the stairs as it was the only way (the best part of the title track IMO followed by really cool solos) he is obviously heartbroken by her death, and Abby mocks for him this. As a lyricist, King really seems to hate Jonathan. 

[Count Jonah]

At this point my only hope for the new album is that it's released in 2015. Which is clearly not happening now.

KD signed a 3 album deal with MetalBlade in December 2012. It'll be over 3 years since then before we get 1 album.

I want to say you can't rush good art, but then look at the Black Rose CD! Love that album, really great songs....but it took forever before the fans in general could get the pleasure of hearing it. It could have been released right after MF broke up the first time and it probably would have done really well in sales. Maybe King has already demo-ed some really great material these past few years...

[SatanKing]

I felt bad for Jonathan. He got messed up bad in both Abigail albums!

[Felicia]

I felt bad for Jonathan. He got messed up bad in both Abigail albums!

Yeah he really did get a crappy deal..lol.. Only one reason I can see for revenge there...Don't mess with a woman's hair!!!! Perhaps he may have lived if he didn't grab her hair...lmao
That's the only thing that made some sense to me don't mess with the hair 


As far as a new record and such I always wondered if the remasters counted in that 3 album deal...let's face it money isn't made in record sales like it used to be. It's more of a merchandise and touring thing now.

[Count Jonah]

Now I had thought that metal bands barely break even on tours, that is the ones that can actually go on cross country tours as headliners in clubs and theaters.

Lately I've been seeing a lot of venue service fees were there were none before. Maybe someone in the know can throw some numbers or percentages at us? It is interesting that these past few years have put a greater emphasis on tours than albums, but that is typical of bands that have been around for 30 years.

[Count Jonah]

I felt bad for Jonathan. He got messed up bad in both Abigail albums!

I don't want an Abigail III, but I do hope that Count Jonathan makes a cameo somewhere as a pissed off vengeful ghost. 

[SatanKing]

Count: I like that idea

[devilsavocado]

I don't want an Abigail III, but I do hope that Count Jonathan makes a cameo somewhere as a pissed off vengeful ghost. 

Him and Grandma. Quite a duo!

[Count Jonah]

Team Wheelchair! 

[Grace]

I'll play along with the thread hijacking...

The Abigail II story confuses the shit out of me. I love King's stories, even on the albums where the music doesn't do much for me, but I just don't get this one:

* Who is "Little One" really? The murdering spirit of the 1777 Abigail, somehow grown from stillborn infant to child version of Casper the Friendly Ghost walking around with lanterns in the middle of the night? I thought she was a parental unit killing demon? Why is she friendly in this story? Or is it the 1843 Abigail's split personality twin spirit? Or is it the innocent soul of the stillborn possessed child that Abigail took residence in back in 1777, that never had a chance to be born? The very same that went nuts and possessed Miriam and Abigail 2.0 in the womb? Wait, did I already say that? I don't know what the hell's going on. Are all the Abigails in this story good, and there is no demon at all? WTF happened to the demon then? Was there one to begin with, or was Abigail just a vengeful ghost taking revenge on the LaFey bloodline because the old count didn't want a bastard child? She is obviously more than that, since she is the "second coming of a devil" born with yellow eyes and proceeds to eat her dead mother after birth (after supposedly dragging the body of a grown woman back to her infant sarcophagus to have a snack). Sounds like a demon with an agenda. How did 18 year old Abigail rid herself of the possession of this mighty demon Abigail?

* Why the hell did O'Brian keep her name as "Abigail", after all the misfortunes associated with the name? Call her freaking Heather or something. If you adopted the love child of Charles Manson and Elizabeth Bathory, would you not call the child something else? Charles Manson Bathory Jr kind of sets the kid on a scary career path. Same thing with Abigail... Not exactly setting your adoptive kid up for success there, O'Brian, you old bastard.

* So the "Mommy" that Little One is searching for is the original count's wife that was pushed down the stairs in 1777? Why do we care about a person who was a footnote at best in the original story and does not get a voice in this story? Why does it matter that her ashes were "buried in the floor"? What's the significance of the floor to the story and to the inability of Little One to find her?

* Why is Abigail "playing along with his eerie game"? There seems to be no real pressure or looming threat from Jonathan forcing her to do so, but she still just dumbly follows her newfound father (which she is really chill about finding out, BTW) into the bedroom after he's talking all sorts of crazy, referring to her as her dead mom. I mean... Warning bells? No? Is it all just to set "Little One" free? I mean Abigail is free to roam the place. She is the one to blow out the candles so she wouldn't have to look at Jonathan's hideous body before the act of incest takes place. He's not exactly holding a gun to her head. If she goes along with letting her dad have his way with her, for the noble cause of setting Little One free, then that didn't go so well in the end, did it?

* Why is Jonathan referred to as evil? He was the original victim in the story of Abigail. His wife taken away from him, his child possessed in the womb, awakened by ghosts in the dead of night to go crypt-spelunking... He reluctantly agreed to end his beloved Miriam's life to rid the world of Abigail's evil, but got shoved down the stairs himself to his death (well, as it happened he just broke every bone in his body, but still). Now rotting away in a mansion, going insane from grief, he finally sees who he thinks is Miriam again and just snaps. That's evil? Fucking guy did not have an easy life. I wonder if Abigail is licking her chops every time Jonathan calls her Miriam, remembering the taste of her dead mother's flesh? Who's the evil bitch here?

* OK... And here's the thing I just can't even wrap my mind around - straight from General Hospital or Days of Our Lives... Abigail looks at Jonathan on the verge of his death and states: "I was the sister of your father's in another life. The father you never knew, who saved me years ago, And now I'm looking at his son." Hmmm... The horseman O'Brian obviously saved her years ago, so he's the father of Jonathan as well? And Abigail is the reincarnation of O'Brian's half sister - he states that in the "Spare this Life" intro. So Abigail is both Jonathan's daughter (by blood), step-sister (O'Brian is father to Jonathan and also raised Abigail) AND spiritual aunt (adoptive father O'Brian's half sister)? What is this, the Ozark Mountains family reunion with Uncle Daddy?

* It all ends with Little one crying in the crypt and a mysterious narrator states: "It's not your MOMMY you're looking for. It's YOURSELF!" I mean... WTF? I thought I had it all figured out. Somebody call Scooby Doo and the gang. I need to see who is hiding beneath the mask of Little One.

[Shadowman]

I hope that the new album's mood will be closer to the period of 86-95 years.

[SatanKing]

Grace: I agree Jonathan was the victim on both albums. I felt bad for him. And yes he never forced Abigail to go to bed with him. She went willingly the slut.

[Count Jonah]

Haha! She takes after her mother! 

[Count Jonah]

Getting back to Grace's post. Yeah, I didn't find the whole incest fest necessary for the story.

I think Abigial 2 by itself is a good story, but in the context of the original story, I feel it is too much of a 180 turn from the feel and characterization of the first album. "What a twist!" 

The only way I can really appreciate Abigail 2's story is by imagining it as a reboot or rewrite. For me when I hear the original album, Abigail's story ends when the black horsemen take away the evil baby and help Jonathan do what he could not; finish off the rebirth of evil itself with seven silver spikes no less! How metal is that?!!!??!? 

And remember the black horseman's warning to Jonathan; "One day you'll need our help my friend". Come to think of it, the horsemen have "magic" in their eyes while Abigail has evil "glowing yellow eyes". There is a supernatural quality to the horseman that King choose not to explain or go further into on Abigail 2. There would have had to be for them to have all lived for so long.

Anyways, I hope this new story is a serious, epic, mysterious one with plenty of darkness and evil bloodshed. 

[ElektroDragon]

My hope is for verses with the heaviness and intensity of "Killer" and choruses with the menace and evil of "Bell Witch".

[Count Jonah]

"Goodnight John, see you in Hell!"

I don't know why, but I love that line. Simple but powerfully executed by King's voice. 

[bladestone9]

Been watching the Dead Snow movies and I can't help but think that both movies are very King Diamond in nature. First of all the Nazi Zombies are cursed out of great tragedy and horror, Just the premise alone. If they do a part 3 they should have King Diamond, Amon Amarth, and Marduk do the soundtrack...but only if in a 3rd film it's Nazi Zombies vs. Viking Zombies...They already did the Russians after all...just saying